Right Occiput Posterior (ROP) means mothers will feel the kick in the top left and in front.I had a question in regards to Belly Mapping. I have your book, and I was trying to figure out baby's position this evening, but I'm finding it hard due to an anterior Placenta (that feels like it is shifted more to my mid-left). At 38 weeks, baby turned breech, and I can't figure out up from down anymore because I have focused on it so much. Tonight, I have felt a foot go high up into my left ribs (past the bulge I feel in the upper middle-right), and it rotates all the way down to navel level on my left side (but never any lower). I also have something firmly engaging in my pelvis. So anatomically speaking, wouldn't it be physically impossible for baby to get their foot that high in my rib cage if he or she were still breech, while engaged? Another thing I wonder about, is that I have difficulty finding the heart beat, but when I do, it is usual around my belly button on the right side...would that still be possible with a vertex baby?




The breech baby flipped over to the left occiput transverse position

I knew baby was breech from belly mapping to begin with, and from the help of a friend of mine. It was very obvious little baby was footling breech to start at 38 weeks, because nothing was in my pelvis but feet, and the head was very firm, hard, and warm, and able to wiggle without moving the body. I don't believe in Ultrasounds, so we have been doing everything with feel (except once, when I had bleeding, which confirmed the Placenta to be anterior and high above my cervix, as I thought we had lost the baby. It also confirmed baby is healthy, so I am not worried about why he/she chose a breech position). 

Any ways, since then, I have had nights with a ton of movement. After a while, it became obvious that little baby's feet were no longer down, and that he or she had put themselves in a frank breech position, because a bum was down in my pelvis, but feet and hand movement were all up high, and the head still wiggled on it's own. Recently though, that bulge that used to be where a head sat has changed. It seems larger, squishier, and when I try to grasp it to wiggle it, it hides on me. I also feel small movements wiggle past my pubic cartilage, and a large, kicking movement way up high in my ribs on the left, as well as belly button level, or slightly higher on my middle-to right side. In front (I am positive baby is posterior, regardless of vertex or breech), I feel limbs slowly roll across, like knees, or elbows. Last night, I realized that the thing kicking me strongly on the ribs, would only go as low as my belly button on my left side, and I could feel the buldge of it up top at the same time I was experiencing tiny movement also on my left side down near my pubic area. With babies heads being disproportionate to their bodies, I recall their legs only reaching mouth area, and I began thinking, that if something is engaged in my pelvis, and this little appendage can make it past my buldge up top, then it has to be a vertex baby with their foot kicking upwards, or a breech baby with their arm above their head. However, as I said, I can feel little movement down below on both sides, so I'm pretty much ruling the possibility that it is a hand out. It also kicks very intensely, at times so hard it feels like my breath is being taken away.



I truly feel that baby is head down now, though. Before, the bulge up top was always so hard, and it would take my breath away as it pushed up and under my ribs, but now I find that it is constantly disappearing on me, as if baby is ROP. I was reading on your website that babies commonly rotate to ROP from breech, so that makes more sense of things for me. I had a start/stop early labor last weekend...nothing intense, but I had a large amount of bloody show, and then went into a pattern of having contractions and soft bowel movements all afternoon, and into the night. That evening, around midnight, I was feeling intense movements...as if baby was dancing around. The following morning, all signs of labor was gone. I think those contractions moved baby out of breech and into ROP.

And a little bit later: I just wanted to send along my Bellymapping diagram. I was able to successfully feel for the location of all the limbs tonight, and I had my husband put his ear to my belly, and listen for the heart beat, and he found it quietly just below my naval, but much louder slightly lower and to the right.   -Anonymous Mother, International


[And here is the Belly Map! Firm on the right, biggest kicks in the upper left. Movement right of the center line, as well, both above or at the navel line and especially telling, wiggles on both sides of the center line below the navel but above the pubic bone....

Looking like an ROP Belly Map. And drawn in the last template "pie" on page 10 of one of my Belly Mapping Workbooks!]  


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Hi Gail!
It's taken me a while to get back to you, but I wanted to let you know my little one was born unassisted the other day...head down! Yay! She started ROP and ended ROA :)

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Hi Gail, 

I want to say thank you! A first time mother's posterior birth went well [with] a short labor. Membranes ruptured about 8am. Her labor started about 6pm: 3cm dilated; LOP station -1; cervix soft and effaced. 

We did rebozo sifting, sidelying release, abdominal lift and tuck, standing sacral release, Dip the hip, circling on the birth ball, lunge and she birthed at 9.58pm in sidelying position with hands around the husband's neck.

Baby's head showed more molding on the right side. What you taught in the workshop and website made a difference!

Chiew Gin, Doula, Singapore